DETROIT -- Detroit long snapper Don Muhlbach was with the Lions back in 2008, when they became the first -- and so far, the only -- NFL team to go 0-16.This season, as the Cleveland Browns approach that mark of infamy, Muhlbach would rather not see a sequel.That was a brutal year, Muhlbach said. As a football player to another football player, I hope no one else has to go through that.The Browns have three more chances to avoid a winless season, starting with this weekends game at Buffalo. If Cleveland does finish 0-16, those 2008 Lions would have company in that pitiable club, but Detroit isnt exactly buzzing with anticipation.Can we wait for them to go 0-16 before I pop champagne? joked Dominic Raiola, who played center for the Lions from 2001-2014.All kidding aside, its not like an 0-16 season in Cleveland would change what the Lions had to endure eight years ago.I havent been following what theyve been doing and I dont really care if they win a game or not, said Raiola, now an assistant strength and conditioning coach for the Lions.The Browns actually have a chance to surpass the 2008 Lions in one measure of futility. Cleveland also lost all four of its preseason games this season. Before Detroits 0-16 nightmare under Rod Marinelli eight years ago, the Lions managed to win the four games that didnt count.Of course, even that may have come with a cost.We were 4-0 in the preseason and showed our whole hand, said Roy Williams, a wide receiver for that team. We used all our plays and didnt change anything when the season started.Williams got off easy that year. He was traded in October to Dallas. But he has some, well, interesting tales.What really sums it up is what happened in Atlanta in our first game, Williams said. We were about to score and (quarterback Jon) Kitna was gesturing to the sideline to let them know that he wasnt hearing a play in his headset. Rod says into the headset, `Come in Jim! Jim! Colletto! And Colletto finally answered and said, `Sorry, coach. I mustve dozed off.Colletto, who was Detroits offensive coordinator that year, says he doesnt remember any incident like that. He says in their Thanksgiving loss to Tennessee, the Lions were penalized for delay of game immediately after a timeout, and he had to apologize to Marinelli because hed drawn a blank on what play to call.There wasnt anybody dozing off, Colletto said.Colletto can certainly empathize with what Clevelands coaches are facing now.I know (Browns coach) Hue Jackson. Theres a lot of good coaches there, Colletto said. Its hard. Its really hard. I know what theyre going through.The 2008 Lions had their chances to win a game. During one stretch, they dropped games to Minnesota, Houston, Washington and Chicago, all by eight points or fewer. Detroit was even tied in the fourth quarter of the season finale at Green Bay before falling 31-21.Every week it just kept building and building, Muhlbach said.Muhlbach and quarterback Dan Orlovsky are the only current Lions players who were with the team in 2008. Needless to say, its hard to stay hopeful during a season like that, and players -- both in Detroit in 2008 and Cleveland this year -- are put to an unenviable test.Be a pro. You have a job to do, said Tampa Bay offensive lineman Gosder Cherilus, who played for the Lions in 2008. Every day you wake up, dont look at the record. Know youre a big part of the team and every time you have a chance, you want to be a part of the reason theyre winning -- not part of the reason why theyre losing. At the end of the day, not everyones going to give you their best, but you want to be one of the good guys.If theres any solace for the Browns, its that the Lions actually recovered from 0-16 rather quickly. That awful season netted them the No. 1 pick in the 2009 draft, which they used on quarterback Matthew Stafford.Calvin Johnson was in his second season when the Lions went winless, and he went on to become one of the greatest players in franchise history. Team president Matt Millen was fired during that 2008 season, and Marinelli met the same fate when it was over. The Lions moved on with Martin Mayhew as general manager and Jim Schwartz as coach.Neither of them is still with the organization, but they helped the Lions recover from depths no team had ever reached. In 2011, Detroit made the playoffs -- and Stafford is a big part of this years NFC North-leading team .Yeah, but we couldve won one game and still got Stafford, Muhlbach said.Plenty of teams have hit rock bottom and then returned to respectability. Only one of them went 0-16.The memories of that season linger for those who experienced it.Sometimes when you keep hearing how much of a loser you are, you start to believe it and you accept it. Dont you ever accept that, regardless, Cherilus said. A lot of people think you win in the National Football League just on talent, but it takes so much more than that. If you look at the Browns, theyre just as talented as other teams in the league. That tells you how hard it is to win.But Im rooting for them because I dont wish for that kind of thing to happen to anyone else.---AP Sports Writers Larry Lage and Fred Goodall contributed to this report.---For more NFL coverage: http://www.pro32.ap.org and http://www.twitter.com/AP-NFL . Cheap Nike NBA Jerseys . Bjorn, who had a 36-hole total of 8-under 134, made a testing six-foot putt to save par on the 16th and a birdie on the 17th before bogeying the final hole after a misjudged approach shot. American Kevin Streelman was in second place after shooting a 69. NBA Jerseys China . Louis Blues absence from top spot in the TSN. http://www.cheapnbajerseysthrowback.com/ . Parker had 26 points and eight assists and San Antonio beat Toronto 112-99 Monday night. "We won that game because of Tony Parkers aggressiveness," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "His juice; his aggression all night long. 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I hope they will tell us something good.Shubenkov said: I will get drunk.The Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland will rule Thursday on an appeal filed by Russias Olympic track and field team of 68 athletes against a ban imposed by the sports world governing body, the IAAF, following allegations of state-sponsored doping and cover-ups.As it stands, the IAAF has approved just two Russians to compete, as neutral athletes, after they showed they had been training and living abroad under a robust drug testing regime. One is doping whistleblower Yulia Stepanova, the other is Florida-based long jumper Darya Klishina, who has received threats online from Russian fans who think she would betray her country by competing if the rest of the team is banned.Thursdays ruling is likely to weigh heavily on whether the International Olympic Committee could exclude the entire Russian team -- across all sports, not just track -- following new allegations of a vast state-sponsored doping program that covered many Olympic sports.Canadian lawyer Richard McLaren, who was commissioned by the World Anti-Doping Agency, issued a report Monday that accused Russias sports ministry of orchestrating a vast doping program that affected 28 summer and winter Olympic sports.The Russian appeal of the track ban was heard by a CAS panel on Tuesday in Geneva, with two-time Olympic pole vault champion Yelena Isinbayeva on hand to represent the athletes. IAAF President Sebastian Coe also attended the hearing.Two high-profile sports lawyers presented each side -- California-based Howard Jacobs for the Russians, British attorney Jonathan Taylor for the IAAF.TThe decision will be closely scrutinized by the IOC, which said Tuesday it would explore the legal options for a possible total ban on Russia but would wait until after the CAS ruling before making a final decision.dddddddddddd.If the IAAF ban is thrown out and the Russian track athletes are let back in, that would seemingly rule out the IOC imposing a blanket ban. If the ban is upheld, however, it would keep the option open.The uncertainty is weighing heavily on Russian athletes.It puts a lot of pressure on us, said Koneva, who herself once served a two-year doping ban.But the legal wrangling may not be over yet. Should the IOC then impose a total ban across all sports, Russian athletes -- though probably not the track and field team -- could conceivably appeal again to CAS.The case dates back to November, when the IAAF suspended Russias track and field federation following a World Anti-Doping Agency commission report that alleged systematic and state-backed doping in the country. The International Association of Athletics Federations upheld the ban last month, a decision accepted by the IOC.The Russian appeal questions the validity of the IAAF decision and seeks to ensure the participation in Rio of any Russian athlete who is not currently subject to any period of ineligibility for the commission of an anti-doping rule violation.The CAS case hinges on a central issue: Can all of the countrys track athletes be banned collectively and is it right to punish those who have not been accused of wrongdoing?In extending the ban, the IAAF said Russias entire drug-testing system had been corrupted and tainted and there was no way to prove which athletes were clean. Letting Russian athletes compete in the games would undermine the credibility of the competition, according to the IAAF.For now, Russias track athletes remain in limbo.Its very sad and frustrating, all these thoughts in our heads, Koneva said. But hope dies last.---Wilson reported from London. AP Sports Writer James Ellingworth in Moscow contributed to this report. ' ' '